
Work onward and upward because at some point,
you'll know there is no turning back. You'll move forward.
Experience
teaches.
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I was running
Chouinard Equipment in the day with the other key players at Chouinard, and
then in the afternoon, early mornings and evenings trying to figure out with
them how to create a new company, how to raise the money, going around dialing
for dollars, all those sort of things, learning on the job and trying to get an
MBA by the seat of my pants.
It's one of
those experiences that I equate sort of to climbing in that there's nothing in
the world that I would trade not to have had that experience, and there's
absolutely nothing in the world I would ever trade to have that experience
again.
(Voiceover)
But finding the money was just one foothold on a steep climb. They also had to
find a better environment than Chouinard's coastal headquarters.
Location teaches.
PETER: You
know, Ventura is a wonderful place if you want to be a cutting-edge surfboard
company, but if your goal in life is to be a cutting-edge climbing equipment,
back-country ski company, you need an environment right outside your door where
you can test that product, be inspired to design that product and attract the
best climbers and ski mountaineers in the world, who want to come work for you.
And we did a very comprehensive search of the West, and in the end it was clear
that being nestled at the base of the Wasatch was the only place in the United
States that you could be where you could have the accoutrements and the
infrastructure of a major city, yet be literally 10 minutes from some of the
best back-country skiing, waterfall ice climbing, rock climbing and mountain
activities available anywhere in the United States.
(Voiceover)
The place they chose was the resort town of Park City, Utah, but just as they
were getting ready to move, the deal fell through. In a mad scramble, they
found an abandoned shopping village at the base of the mountains in Salt Lake
City that was perfect. These buildings now house their administrative offices,
design area, manufacturing center, a retail outlet and an indoor climbing gym
that's available to not only employees, but also the general public.
Once you guys
got up and running, got over the hump and this thing took off, what do you
think have been the greatest secrets of this phenomenal growth you've
experienced?
PETER: I'm
not going to lie. One of the things I have to say is if you're going to jump
into a river and swim, if you're swimming down-current, it helps. We got
started and, fortuitously, serendipitously, climbing just exploded. We never
thought it would. We thought it was always going to be a very small business,
so we were being at the right place at the right time. That's luck.
But the other
things: I think the structure of the business, the fact that this is a heavily
employee ownership, employees have a heavy stake in the business; the flat
management structure; the fact that we hire like-minded individuals, people who
believe in the vision, believe in the mission, love climbing and skiing.
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HOST: Peter, why was it important for you, for the company, to
be employee owned?
PETER:
I'm a firm believer that the success in most companies, though you do have
these awesome leaders who really do make a huge difference to an organization,
I also believe, to a great extent, that the myth of the CEO as perpetuated by
Fortune magazine and Forbes is a crock of .... and that those guys look great
because of the people behind them. And the best way to have a company succeed
is to have a very strong group of people.
Give people
as much responsibility and authority as possible, and let them go for it. Let
them do it because, ultimately, if you give them that, they're going to have
more energy than you can ever possibly have, and they will know more than you
can ever possibly know. And I think that's part of it. It's just the amount of
motivation people here have, because I think they feel like they really do have
responsibility, authority and it's fairly decentralized.
(Voiceover)
From management to manufacturing, the dress code reflects their teamwork
philosophy.
PETER: The
idea is that, `Hey, we're all equal in here. We've all got a job to do.' And
the clothing sort of creates a hierarchy that doesn't need to exist.
HOST: And
let's face it, you're in the rock climbing business.
PETER: Yeah,
and we are our customers. Our customers come in here, whether it's Rick
Gottlieb, one of the owners of Rock 'n' Snow there--we ourselves use the gear,
and we want to dress like our customers. We don't want to be more pretentious.
And it makes our customers, when they come in here, feel like we're very
approachable and we're one of them, which we are.
(Voiceover)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's this meeting going on over here?
PETER:
They're working on one of several new products that are in the works.
Unidentified
Employee #1: Did David get the geometry?
Unidentified
Employee #2: We should hopefully have that spring by this weekend. If we don't
have...
PETER: It's a
cross-functional team. That's how we develop all products. And it consists of
the head of R&D, the head of the ski line, the manager of the tool and die
room, one of our senior process engineers.
The success
is that all these departments integrate. You know, they have to look at it as a
cross-functional project.
(Voiceover)
Yeah. These are the top guys in the company right here. Not a navy pinstripe
suit in the group, huh?
PETER: No.
No. Probably some of them were out climbing or skiing or something this
morning. One of the neat things about this machine is that David, Frank and
George designed it.
(Voiceover)
Today teamwork is a popular buzzword, but in this organization it's their
secret.
Unidentified
Employee #3: We think we can make this really sculpted and beautiful...
(Voiceover)
Maybe it's because they're all stockholders or maybe it's because most of them
use the products they make, but they all seem to be totally committed to this
business, no matter what job they're doing.
PETER: Blang,
how many have you done of these in one shift?
BLANG
(Employee): Ten thousand; 10,250, to be correct.
PETER: Now
that's got to be a world record, as Blang's proud to say. I mean, you probably
make--Right?--more carabiners than anybody in the world?
BLANG:
Anybody in the world, right.
PETER: The
king of carabiners.
BLANG: Yes.
HOST: But
you're a user of the product, right?
BLANG: Right.
Right. I climb on it. Makes you feel good to go out and see a lot of people
really happy.
That's
interesting to sort of have a job where you say, `What do you do for a living?'
`I tear up stuff.'
Unidentified
Employee #4: Right. Yeah, I destroy things all day long.
(Voiceover)
His job is to test the strength of every product...
Employee #4:
Right there, 4253.
(Voiceover)
...because climbers' lives depend on it.
Employee #4:
I love my job. It's a lot of fun.
PETER:
(Voiceover) As an entrepreneur, you don't have the backstop of a large
corporation; you don't have an array of assets.
You don't
have this big base camp. As an entrepreneur, you have a very limited amount of
resources. You put together a team, and you basically go for it, and you are
dependent upon yourself and your partners. It's not just you. It's you and your
partners as a team.
Unidentified
Man #5: That's right.
PETER:
(Voiceover) I don't think, as an entrepreneur, you or you and your partners can
succeed if you're constantly looking for a safety net. At times you have to
say, `This vision of what we're going to do, this project, is important enough
and meaningful enough and that we are capable enough, that if we focus and give
it everything and we can't afford to fail, we're gonna succeed.'
Here are
some of the things we learn from Peter.
Ignorance can
be BLISS! You can never know all the perils you'll face as you climb the
mountain of success, and besides, if you did know, you'd probably stay on the
ground.
When you
can't turn back, go forward. When you've gone too far up the mountain to turn
back, you do the only thing you can, you go forward.
To climb the
BIG mountains you need a great team! And it's easier to make the climb to the
top if you have a great team of people climbing with you.
Peter
Metcalf knows the value of building teamwork in an organization.
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